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Это 82 полицейские машины и около 600 полицейских, которые вчера охраняли дом председателя правящей партии в ходе демонстрации "Забастовки женщин":



Красным обозначен этот дом.

А вот как вчера охраняли памятник жертвам смоленской катастрофы:

Date: 2020-12-14 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malpa.livejournal.com
Я знаю, знаю, зачем!.. У него, наверное, КОВИД, и машины поставили, чтобы он случайно на женщин не начихал.

Date: 2020-12-14 03:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iramyra
И вот как им не стыдно. Каждому из них. Поэтому было вчера и такое (с 1:59:21):



Йоанна Шеринг-Вельгус вызволяла потом этого полицейского, хотя его никто линчевать не собирался.

Date: 2020-12-14 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-tom.livejournal.com
Думаешь, многим ментам, разгонявшим демонстрации в 80-е, было стыдно? В случае чего - "они только выполняли приказы". Кстати, из смешного (ты уже видела, наверное), как вчера менты выписали штраф водителю машины, на которой были наклеены звёздочки ***** ***. Вспомнилось, как на Красной площади менты за оскорбление президента арестовали человека с плакатом, на котором было написано "х****о". Менты объяснили, что всем известно, кто такой хуйло.
Edited Date: 2020-12-14 04:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2020-12-14 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iramyra
Неа, не видела ещё. Мне ещё вспомнилось, как арестовали человека с пустым листом: https://ovdinfo.org/express-news/2019/07/18/na-krasnoy-ploshchadi-zaderzhali-zhurnalista-za-odinochnyy-piket-s-pustym

Date: 2020-12-14 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-tom.livejournal.com
В Минске одно время акцией неповиновения были аплодисменты на улице. Соответственно, аплодирующих вязали. В том числе арестовали человека без одной руки.

Date: 2020-12-14 04:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iramyra
Кошмар.

Date: 2020-12-14 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wangden.livejournal.com
В Беларуси недавно задержали целый класс гимназии, который возвращался с репетиции вальса. Решили, что эта подозрительная толпа - наверняка против Лукашенко.

https://nn.by/?c=ar&i=265209

Правда, быстро разобрались и отпустили. А могли бы набить морды и дать по 15 суток.
Теперь милиция говорит: ну, а что тут такого?

Date: 2020-12-15 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-tom.livejournal.com
А в России теперь нельзя без высочайшего повеления даже выступить за. Авторитарные режимы объединяет страх перед собственным народом.

Date: 2020-12-17 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-tom.livejournal.com
У Тимоти Снайдера "On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century" первый урок называется "Do not obey in advance". Я думаю, что это как раз случай многих наших полицейских.

Date: 2020-12-17 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-tom.livejournal.com
Do not obey in advance
Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.

Anticipatory obedience is a political tragedy.
Perhaps rulers did not initially know that citizens were willing to compromise this value or that principle. Perhaps a new regime did not at first have the direct means of influencing citizens one way or another. After the German elections of 1932, which permitted Adolf Hitler to form a government, or the Czechoslovak elections of 1946, where communists were victorious, the next crucial step was anticipatory obedience. Because enough people in both cases voluntarily extended their services to the new leaders, Nazis and communists alike realized that they could move quickly toward a full regime change. The first heedless acts of conformity could not then be reversed.
In early 1938, Adolf Hitler, by then securely in power in Germany, was threatening to annex neighboring Austria. After the Austrian chancellor conceded, it was the Austrians’ anticipatory obedience that decided the fate of Austrian Jews. Local Austrian Nazis captured Jews and forced them to scrub the streets to remove symbols of independent Austria. Crucially, people who were not Nazis looked on with interest and amusement. Nazis who had kept lists of Jewish property stole what they could. Crucially, others who were not Nazis joined in the theft. As the political theorist Hannah Arendt remembered, “when German troops invaded the country and Gentile neighbors started riots at Jewish homes, Austrian Jews began to commit suicide.”
The anticipatory obedience of Austrians in March 1938 taught the high Nazi leadership what was possible. It was in Vienna that August that Adolf Eichmann established the Central Office for Jewish Emigration. In November 1938, following the Austrian example of March, German Nazis organized the national pogrom known as Kristallnacht.
In 1941, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, the SS took the initiative to devise the methods of mass killing without orders to do so. They guessed what their superiors wanted and demonstrated what was possible. It was far more than Hitler had thought.
At the very beginning, anticipatory obedience means adapting instinctively, without reflecting, to a new situation. Do only Germans do such things? The American psychologist Stanley Milgram, contemplating Nazi atrocities, wanted to show that there was a particular authoritarian personality that explained why Germans behaved as they had. He devised an experiment to test the proposition, but failed to get permission to carry it out in Germany. So he undertook it instead in a Yale University building in 1961—at around the same time that Adolf Eichmann was being tried in Jerusalem for his part in the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews.
Milgram told his subjects (some Yale students, some New Haven residents) that they would be applying an electrical shock to other participants in an experiment about learning. In fact, the people attached to the wires on the other side of a window were in on the scheme with Milgram,
and only pretended to be shocked. As the subjects (thought they) shocked the (people they thought were) participants in a learning experiment, they saw a horrible sight. People whom they did not know, and against whom they had no grievance, seemed to be suffering greatly—pounding the glass and complaining of heart pain. Even so, most subjects followed Milgram’s instructions and continued to apply (what they thought were) ever greater shocks until the victims appeared to die. Even those who did not proceed all the way to the (apparent) killing of their fellow human beings left without inquiring about the health of the other participants.
Milgram grasped that people are remarkably receptive to new rules in a new setting. They are surprisingly willing to harm and kill others in the service of some new purpose if they are so instructed by a new authority. “I found so much obedience,” Milgram remembered, “that I hardly saw the need for taking the experiment to Germany.”

Date: 2020-12-17 06:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iramyra
Да. И сюда же Стенфордский эксперимент.

Date: 2020-12-15 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poluyan.livejournal.com
замордовали?

Date: 2020-12-15 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] just-tom.livejournal.com
Нет, благодаря необычайному героизму полиции происки враждебных Польше сил были в очередной раз сорваны.

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